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Hi Folks,

I think that the post below by Lita represents a welcome departure from some of the bitter posts I have seen in previous weeks. Although the civil tone of this post is welcome, the liberal perspective it promotes should be addressed. I do not believe that anyone has a monopoly on correct thoughts and debates help working people and oppressed social layers chart a way forward against attacks coming down from the employers and their government.

I think that the argument here focuses mainly on defining transphobic offenders as the root of the problem devoid of the class roots of oppression. Those who disagree with anything in the post below are designated as "transphobic" and lumped together with "Nazi and hate groups". In my view, this is a liberal approach to problem solving. Pointing to an individualist approach to solving social problems. And in turn leads itself to cancel culture as a way to achieve victory so that trans folks can "live openly and comfortably in society."

According to the perspective outlined below: "The voices of cis women who support trans rights are usually ignored or shouted down by the minority of women opposed to trans rights." I tend to disagree. I don't see this happening in Boston. The only folks who were ignored or shut down last Sunday were folks supporting democratic discussion, responding to slanders, and opposing summary expulsions.

In the perspective Lita posted below: "Advocating to remove or delay access to transition-related medical treatment needs to be regarded as proxy violence, as transition-related care has been shown to improve life outcomes for trans people." As stated here, a different opinion is equated to "proxy violence". Lita is free to believe this, but I don't think that this approach is useful in winning someone over in a debate.

I am opposed to Washington's war machine intervening in the Ukraine conflict. When I am trying to convince folks who do not agree with me, I do not accuse them of engaging in "proxy violence" even though the US is conducting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine. This war is affecting the health and wellbeing of working people in this country. I doubt that I could convince anyone to change their mind if I tell the person he/she is engaging in "proxy violence".  

As presented here in the categories below, anyone who disagrees with any of the assertions below is transphobic. You are either for trans rights as defined below or you are "transphobic" and a candidate for being canceled.

As described below: "Ostracising somebody from a community, place of worship or family because they are trans is transphobic. The threat of ostracism might be used to prevent a trans person from coming out or living a fulfilled life." I feel that the advocates of summary expulsions are trying "ostracize" those who disagree with summary expulsions.  

From Lita's perspective below: "Holding all trans people to account for the crimes of one or two individuals is like saying that every white cis woman should have to answer for the crimes of Rose West." Trans folks generally should not be blamed in any way, shape, or form "for the crimes of Rose West". BMDC is being blamed and ostracized for the opinions of a couple of members and is being labeled "transphobic".

According to the post below: "Gladiatorial debates are designed to obscure what trans people need to communicate and prevent trans people from raising awareness of important issues affecting the community. Being forced to "debate" your existence is a form of abuse. Just as a black person should not have to justify their right to live a life free from racist discrimination, a trans person should not have to justify their right to live a life free from transphobic discrimination."

No one has to debate the issue of discrimination. At times it can be unpleasant and at other times it can be fulfilling. But in the real world that we live in, it is necessary for those fighting for justice to do so. The movement to gain civil rights for oppressed nationalities, the movement for abortion rights for women and trans men, and the antiwar movement were movements that necessitated "gladiatorial debates". They unfolded throughout the country. These debates are unfolding today whether we like it or not.   

Finally at the bottom of this post we read in point 5 about "Other forms of discrimination".

It is precisely here that we read about some critical and devastating forms of abuse. Discrimination in employment, housing, and healthcare. Along with the violence described below, these forms of injustice have had devastating consequences. "Discrimination by a letting agent can result in homelessness." Indeed, this is true! My feeling is that these forms of discrimination are raised almost in passing at the end of the post. It is precisely here, surrounding these issues, where working people need to be educated. If it happens to trans folks, it can happen to you. 

And then we get to the last sentence of the article: "Denying any of this, arguing against it or debating it is also transphobic." And one can infer that those who disagree should be shut down or canceled. This to me is not a winning strategy.

This approach is not going to help win millions of working people over to the cause of trans rights. Cancel culture from the left helped send Trump to the White House. Cancel culture from the right helped my generation end the war in Vietnam, win abortion rights, and further the cause of gay rights which over the course of decades won victories.

In my view, the US is a class divided society and discrimination and oppression is highly related to whether you are rich or poor, an employer or a worker, and generates higher profits for the employers. Discrimination exists because it is profitable. And working people pay the price in wages and living standards when discrimination is prevalent. The minds of millions need to be changed. Working class people need to be convinced that denying civil rights for trans folks hurts us in the long run. We get paid less and receive a standard of healthcare worse than in some parts of the developing world. The debate will unfold and cancel culture will not stop it. Neither will summary expulsions, slanders, or shutting down debate.  
John

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 09:16:42 AM EDT, Lita Xú Líng Kelley (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

What is transphobia?

A core value underlying all transphobia is a rejection of trans identity and a refusal to acknowledge that it is real and valid.

Transphobia has no single, simple manifestation. It includes a range of behaviours and arguments. The consequence of transphobia is that trans people struggle to live openly and comfortably in society. An ultimate outcome may be the erasure of trans people as a viable class of people.


Transphobia includes, but is not limited to:

1. Attempting to remove trans people's rights.

a) Campaigning to remove rights from trans people.

b) Claiming there is a "conflict" between trans people's human rights and those of any other group. 

This is a classic tactic of haters, fascists and others and has been used throughout history. Often the term "concerns" is a signifier for this. Just because you have "concerns" does not mean those "concerns" are valid. Indeed the fact that the term is being used regularly without evidence to support it suggests they are

c) Misrepresenting those who oppose trans people's human rights. 

This is a very common technique employed by transphobic hate groups. They dishonestly claim that the anti-trans "debate" is about a conflict between "women" or "feminists" and trans people. In fact the transphobes represent only a tiny minority of women or feminists and there are plenty of feminists who argue that transphobes are not feminists at all. The voices of cis women who support trans rights are usually ignored or shouted down by the minority of women opposed to trans rights. Of course there are also men who are transphobic. The defining feature that members of these groups have in common is neither their gender nor their (claimed) feminism, it is their transphobia.

d) Encouraging or facilitating proxy violence against trans people. 

Whether tacitly, explicitly or through advocating structural oppression. For example campaigning to prevent trans people from using the bathrooms that match their gender identity and presentation is to attempt to facilitate violence by proxy against trans people by forcing them to out themselves every time they use the toilet or put themselves in dangerous situations where they are likely to be attacked or raped. Spreading fear of trans people so as to increase the likelihood of transphobic attacks is another example of this. This is sometimes known as "stochastic terrorism". These transphobes always conveniently leave out trans men in their flawed arguments.

e) Ignoring the fact that transphobia is amplified when it is intersectional. 

Black trans people, disabled trans people and Muslim trans people for example, often run greater risks from being targeted by transphobia than white middle-class people. The denial of culturally-specific trans identities, in addition to the denial of all trans identities, is both transphobic and racist. Structural oppression in the form of racism, for example, makes it more likely that black and minority ethnic trans women are targeted for violence and murder. 91% of trans people murdered were black women.

f) Tacit transphobia is still transphobia. 

Actions designed to harm or take away trans people's human rights are still transphobic even when not expressed in explicitly transphobic language, or not expressed in language at all. This tacit transphobia is often referred to as 'dogwhistle' transphobia. For example, one UK based transphobic hate group bought  a full page advert which read: 'Woman: an adult human female.' The statement itself is not transphobic, but when the context for the statement is that the group in question believe that trans women can never be female the transphobic intent is clear. Similarly, when a football 'fan' throws a banana at a black player during a match, the racist intent is clear even though bananas are not inherently racist.

g) Attempting to define transphobia as so restricted as to exclude extremely transphobic acts.

Defining transphobia as restricted to name-calling for example, is done with the intention of allowing transphobic groups to get away with transphobic actions like campaigning against trans people's human rights, or spreading fear of trans people, which are both transphobic. Just as white people ought never speak over people of colour when seeking to define racism, cisgender people ought never to speak over trans people when seeking to define transphobia.

h) Advocating the withdrawal of access, or delay, to transition-related medical treatment for trans people or advocating or facilitating any kind of therapy that has the effect of trying to change anyone's gender identity.

When trans people are unable to access transition-related medical treatment, their bodily autonomy is undermined. Advocating to remove or delay access to transition-related medical treatment needs to be regarded as proxy violence, as transition-related care has been shown to improve life outcomes for trans people. The Endocrine Society state that it 'is critical that transgender individuals have access to the appropriate treatment and care to ensure their health and well-being."

Some transphobic campaigners use graphic images of transition related surgery and scars from transition-related surgery as "evidence" that a trans person, often a trans man or a non-binary person, has "mutilated" themselves. The use of this language impacts the mental health and well-being of trans people, often making them more conscious of their scars than they had previously been.

Conversion therapy is not deemed acceptable for lesbian, gay or bi people, nor should it be deemed acceptable for trans people. Research has shown that conversion therapies kill and traumatise, whether they are labelled as 'conversion therapy' or not.

i) Deliberately endangering the lives of trans children and young people. 

Advocating an end to acceptance of trans children and young people in their identified genders, claiming that trans children and young people are only "going through a phase", attempting to deny medical support to trans children and young people and failing to protect trans children and young people from bullying and the consequences of media and hate-group misrepresentation. Using terms such as "contagion" , "geder ideology","gender cult",etc constitutes exclusion bullying by proxy. 

Research has shown that trans children and young people who are well supported at home and at school experience better mental health outcomes than those who aren't supported. The use of misinformation and scare mongering has the potential to discourage parents and teachers from offering that crucial support.

2. Misrepresenting trans people

a) Misrepresenting trans people. 

Whether by misuse of statistics, research, history or the law, presenting false images of trans people as a group. This includes presenting trans people one-dimensionally and intentionally ignoring positives. Ignoring evidence from other countries that supports trans rights is also profoundly transphobic. For example, transphobic activists in the UK claim that changing the law to allow trans people to change their birth certificate by signing a statutory declaration is an issue for women's rights. However evidence from Ireland, whose 2015 Gender Recognition Act allowed trans people to do just this, demonstrates that there has been no such issue.

b) Portraying trans people as a "threat". 

This is what homophobes did in the 1980s to LGB people. Endlessly debating trans people in the media in their absence and prohibiting a right of reply is the way this manifests itself all too often. This can often be seen in the press by the use of words which imply a threat of violence or intimidation such as "ordered to…", "feared being labelled transphobic", "towering", "powerful".


c) Taking one or two trans people to represent the entire community. 

This is a textbook definition of prejudicial discrimination. Holding all trans people to account for the crimes of one or two individuals is like saying that every white cis woman should have to answer for the crimes of Rose West.


d) Denying trans people the right to their own language to talk about their situations. 

Using terms such as "trans identified males" to mean trans women, not only has the impact of misgendering trans women but it also makes it harder for trans people to explain their identity to others. For example, when a trans man tells somebody that he is a trans man, he often has to explain his identity to avoid being mis-identified as a trans woman. The use of "trans women" ensures that trans is correctly used as an adjective in a similar way to the use of "gay women".

"Cisgender" is neither an insult nor an identity, it is a word used to identify people who aren't trans whilst avoiding the use of stigmatising language such as "normal". Denying trans people access to non-stigmatising language to describe people who don't share their identity acts to further stigmatise them.

Telling trans people not to use words like transphobia and cisgender, etc are transphobic and is language policing similarly to how chastising an African American for using African American Vernacular English (AAVE) are examples of racist language policing.
The denial of self-determination more widely also constitutes transphobia. For example the denial that trans women are women, trans men are men and that non-binary people's identities are valid and should be respected. Identity denial is a particular problem for non-binary people, who are often told that their identity is "a trend" or "made up" despite evidence of non-binary people having existed across time and cultures.


e) The omission of trans men and non-binary people.

Transphobic rhetoric regularly ignores trans men and non-binary people. This is often because the existence of trans men, in particular, would act to undermine the arguments being made against trans women. For example, campaigners who claim that trans people should use the toilets that align with the sex they were assigned at birth in case a cisgender man pretends to be a trans women to access women's toilets ignore the fact that if trans men are forced to use women's toilets, it would be easier for cisgender men to also access women's toilets by just pretending to be a transgender man.


f) Using biological essentialism to try and delegitimise trans people. 

"Man", "Woman" and "Non-binary person" are social/cultural statuses. Trans people have existed for millennia throughout history and in every part of the world. Consequently, trans people have as much right to claim their genders based on biology or otherwise as cis people do. The Endocrine Society states that there is "a durable biological underpinning to gender identity". That being said, bio-essentialism plays into the hands of extreme right-wing ideologies.

3. Forms of Abuse

a) Physical assault or abuse

Physical assault or abuse motivated by the fact that the victim of that abuse is trans, is an act of transphobic violence. This disproportionately affects some sections of the trans community, black trans women and non-binary femmes in particular.


b) Harassment

Harassment can take place online, through the posting of photos of trans people without their consent, spreading rumours or sending hateful messages or encouraging others to do the same. Galop's Online Hate Crime Report found that trans people are more likely to experience online harassment than cis people. Offline harassment might include deliberate misgendering, spreading rumours, sending offensive letters, stalking or otherwise making somebody feel intimidated. If this harassment is motivated by the fact that someone is trans, this is transphobic harassment. Stonewall's Trans Report found that 44% of trans people avoid certain streets because they don't feel safe.


c) Ostracism

Ostracising somebody from a community, place of worship or family because they are trans is transphobic. The threat of ostracism might be used to prevent a trans person from coming out or living a fulfilled life.


d) Deliberate misgendering

This is abuse. Calling trans women, "men" or trans men "women", or non-binary people "men" or "women" is transphobia. Using the wrong pronouns, such as "she" for trans men and "he" for trans women is misgendering. Not using "they/them" (or similar) pronouns for non-binary people is transphobic.

Treating trans people any differently from those who are also the same gender is transphobia. For example, treating trans women as different from cis women is discrimination and has been defined as such.

e) Expecting trans people to participate in "debates" about their right to exist.

Gladiatorial debates are designed to obscure what trans people need to communicate and prevent trans people from raising awareness of important issues affecting the community. Being forced to "debate" your existence is a form of abuse. Just as a black person should not have to justify their right to live a life free from racist discrimination, a trans person should not have to justify their right to live a life free from transphobic discrimination.

Trans people being allowed to publish single-person authored articles arguing against the transphobes is different and rarely, if ever, allowed by the media. 


4. Systematically excluding trans people from the media and discussions about issues that directly affect them.

a) Systematically preventing trans people from engaging fully in media "debates" about transphobia and trans rights. 

A good example of this is The Guardian's coverage following the publication of the Labour Declaration of Trans Rights. The Guardian has effectively demonstrated an editorial policy aimed at defending accusations of transphobia. Trans people and allies who campaign for trans rights are not being included in the debate, for example by being allowed to contribute articles opposing those published by this media platform. Selection bias also constitutes transphobia when editors publish only elements of the news that might be supportive of the transphobes' arguments while excluding those that do not.


b) Accusing trans people as "silencing" transphobes or "shutting down debate" when the opposite is happening. 

In the UK there has been a systemic, and almost total, exclusion of trans people from the mainstream media, who campaign against transphobic hate groups. Meanwhile, people with transphobic views are consistently invited to comment on trans related issues in the media, regardless of their qualifications to do so. For example, when a sculptor with no experience of teaching in schools is asked to comment on trans inclusive practice in schools. People with no qualifications in education or in history would not be invited to talk to the media about history teaching in schools, so unqualified people should not be invited to talk about trans inclusion in schools either.  Denying trans people a right to reply on the same terms and with the same prominence and regularity is the real "silencing" and "shutting down debate".


c) Expecting trans people to respond calmly to transphobic material or claims, whether explicit or covert.

We don't dispute that it's best to respond calmly to transphobia, however many transphobes continually aim to anger trans people to provoke trans people into a reaction that is used against trans people. This is often called "Provoke and Publicise", and was a technique employed by anti-desegregationisists in Southern states in the US in the 50s and 60s. The symbolism of this is significant.

5. Other forms of discrimination

a) Employment discrimination

Transphobic employment discrimination may come at the recruitment process, where a trans person's application is rejected because they are trans. In the workplace, this may come when a trans person is treated less favourably or unfairly because they are trans. This might result in a trans person being unable to progress in their career or even having to work in a hostile, uncomfortable working environment.


b) Refusal of access to goods and services 

This could include being refused entry to an event, being turned down or asked to leave rented accommodation, or restricted access to healthcare based on a trans person's identity. Many trans people choose not to disclose that they are trans in certain circumstances for fear of this type of discrimination. Discrimination by a letting agent can result in homelessness.

The above list is not a complete list of what is transphobia. It is up to you to educate yourself and unpack implicit biases to end transphobia

Denying any of this, arguing against it or debating it is also transphobic.

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Date: Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 6:14 PM
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All the best for the meeting.

Hope sincere apologies are accepted and the BMDC statement on Trans rights that John had written about is highlighted and followed.

The struggles that unite the poor and all oppressed against capitalism and wars of destruction need to be strengthened with short term goals and a long term vision.

United in struggle!

Regards
Padma






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Thank you for your perspective John!  I found the post educational but also concerning.  The following statement I found disturbing ; "Denying any of this, arguing against it or debating it is also transphobic".  


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Subject: Re: [bmdc-wg] Transphobia - A response to "What is Transphobia?"
 




Amado Pueblo,

After the many vitriolic messages that have been shared on this list, it is evident that the debate has heated to unexpected temperatures.
The heated discussions, division and name calling will get NOBODY  any further forward. The concerns of trans people will not go away, neither will the concerns of their cis counterparts. Both deserve to be listened to and taken very seriously as the first step of democratic debate. Many of us are tired of being frequently disappointed by debates and critical analyses that lack genuine critical approach, in this case self-proclaimed gender-critical analyses.

This is not a call to close down the debate or to force people into accepting a fixed set of beliefs. Rather, this is a call and an invitation to a much greater level of critical thinking, exploration and questioning than the current debate that characterizes gender-critical arguments. We need lots of open discussions too, as this is a new area of discussion for the majority of people. We must acknowledge the existence of gender-critical feminism as an integral part of this discussion.

We often find that discussions about gender-critical topic can be undermined by anger, thus the meaning of words becomes hijacked and mangled into meaning-lite hollowness and weaponized uselessness to shut down debate.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a "phobia" is a morbid fear, of which I am certain no BMDC member suffers with respect to trans people. This does not mean the irrational hatred that some members have been accused of as sufficient reason to have them expelled or removed. The exploitation of anger, fear and hatred are quite often used to hijack reason, avoid a dispassionate critical examination of the grounds of different political views, opinion, and remove true democratic freedom of thought and faith.

While socio-economic justice guides everything BMDC does, we know there is a right and a wrong position in the fight against transphobia.

According to the national library of medicine there is 2815 articles published from January 1950 to 2320 that focused on transgender health, primarily in the fields of surgery, mental health and endocrinology. There are significant knowledge gaps found across the subspecialties and there is a lack of prospective robust research and representation of transgender-specific data in the core medical journals. More data and research are needed to bridge the knowledge gaps that currently exist and improve the care of the transgender community.
It is the creation of political, economic and social systems to control the human body as one more instrument at the service of capitalism and patriarchal culture what leads us to unite and debate amongst ourselves how to unite in a common front to overthrow such capitalist patriarchal systems and culture. 

We are trapped in a system of subjection in which our human needs are meticulously calculated and used as political instrument. The capitalist patriarchal organization of society includes gender as a way of dividing people in order to perpetuate oppression and exploitation.

From a critical-emancipatory perspective a deeper guarantee of a serious evaluation of reality must be granted in our debates and discussions, and this does not happen with expulsions from coalitions, nor with hostile takeovers of coalitions.


Revolutionarily,


AN2AN









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