Fwd: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
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From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Hello Folks,
Biological women need support in protecting their participation in women's sports. You may support trans women and that is fine, but they have the muscle mass and strength of biological men. It is not fair that women sports are being ruined by the trans gender folks.
Please listen to this young high school female athlete. Biological females and their opportunities matter too. It is not fair that trans women who have the strength and endurance of men compete in biological women's sports. You want to be fair. Then support fairness.
Peace and all Good, Jane
Beliefs do not change biology
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:58 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:58 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Your email is a transmisic and transphobic trope and is false!
You were warned not to post this bigotry on our email list.
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From: tommie w <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:01 PM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
From: tommie w <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:01 PM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Jane — enough with your ignorant comments on issues you clearly don't understand.
Your transphobia should be grounds for expulsion from this group. True leftists want to fight the oppression of marginalised groups, not amplify it.
Your bigotry is disappointing and upsetting.
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From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:18 PM
To: <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Cc: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:18 PM
To: <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Cc: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
😮💨🤮🤬
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From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:17 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:17 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
I am posting this to the BMDC-Discuss list, which may be more appropriate for this discussion than the BMDC work list. I am glad that Jane is posting her views. She is a longtime May Day activist. When I spoke with her this morning, I forgot to tell her that a discussion is starting on BMDC-Discuss and that this is the best place for a discussion like this.
There is room for different views on women's sports. On the one hand, about half of the society has changed its definition of the word "woman" to something like "person who identifies as a woman", so under that definition "women's sports" means sports for anybody who says they are a woman. On the other hand, it is clear that the muscle and bone development of humans born with male parts accelerates at puberty far beyond what occurs with persons born with female parts. That is why a fairness issue has emerged that the entire society is discussing.
It may be appropriate on the BMDC Work list to discuss matters related to proposed expulsions, as well as suspensions and censures of members. Fair process requires that complaints be filed in writing, giving specific violations of conditions of membership and giving evidence; the accused have the right to reply; the membership may authorize an investigation and has the right to vote at a later meeting on any action to be taken against a member. I observed angry shouting at a recent meeting, which is a violation of civil discussion norms. I believe that we decided long ago that disagreements on current political issues don't qualify as grounds for expulsion.
David Keil
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com> wrote:
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From: Michael Heichman <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:19 PM
To: lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
From: Michael Heichman <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:19 PM
To: lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
FYI from Mike
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:25 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:25 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
Your transmisic/transphobic bigotry is unacceptable! I don't give A FUCK about civil discussion!
Our email list and meetings are not a space for you to express your antitrans views.You are in no position to dictate terms. I am sick and tired of this pattern of abuse from the two of you!
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From: Tyler Simonds <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:00 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Tyler Simonds <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:00 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Y'all - the christofascists have made it clear that they are playing on the fears (prejudices) of a tired people to rile up voters - if not for their candidate outright, then away from a major opponent so their candidate can win. That is exactly what this is.
Take some time to reflect on the complexity of both gender and sex. To learn. It is astronomically difficult to be a transgender person in America. And you suggest that somebody would PRETEND? Take a beat. Seriously.
I get how cisgender women (those you might call "biological") come to be afraid of people who look a certain way. It makes sense. The patriarchy would leave me with only anger as a valid emotion if it could. Thankfully people like bell hooks have done meaningful work to break this down.
Trans girls are girls. Trans women are women. Your beef isn't with those of us who love, but with cisgender, heterosexual white men - ESPECIALLY the rich.
It seems we have given you a lot of space to process this topic, by the way.
Tyler S.
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From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:18 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:18 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Discussion of the political issue at hand is best carried on using the BMDC-Discuss list that was recently created for this purpose.
Members are noting that a member has declared, "I don't give A FUCK about civil discussion!" If that kind of discourse continues, then we may need to take up formally whether we have just heard a declaration of war on BMDC and on its mechanisms for democratic discussion.
David Keil
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:34 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:34 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Excuse me? I've had enough of your fabricated BS. My anger expressed in the meeting was 100% justified and I will not allow your BS about decorum to be used to demonize and scapegoat me! I am transgender and you are pushing anti-trans rhetoric in the meeting last night and the list. Interesting you want to have your discussion on a private list.
I AM TRANSGENDER, and both Jane Binkerd and David Keil have repeatedly pushed anti-trans rhetoric in our organizing spaces, so I am not the one in the wrong here. I have every right to stand up and defend trans rights when under attack!----------
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:36 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:36 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
and for the record, the discuss list was not created for you to have space to express your anti-trans/gender critical bigotry!
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:18 PM DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:17 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:17 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
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From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:18 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:18 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: DAVID KEIL <dmkeil@gmail.com>
To: John Harris <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 7:43 pm
Subject: Fwd: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
From: DAVID KEIL <dmkeil@gmail.com>
To: John Harris <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 7:43 pm
Subject: Fwd: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
In case of filing of any vague charge against me or Jane, the following should be quoted in a counter-charge:
"I don't give A FUCK about civil discussion! Our email list and meetings are not a space for you to express your antitrans views." A member here rejects the very foundation of democratic debate and sets up an ideological basis for silencing dissent. Appropriate penalty: censure as a warning to tolerate other views and respect civil debate.
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
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From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:19 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:19 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Simonds" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Tyler Simonds" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
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From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
I'm just disgusted!!!
What in the hell???
So sooooooooon as I say something is a shit show I'll be THAT UPPITY NIGGER BITCH WHO DOESN'T KNOW HER PLACE RIGHT????!!!!!
WELL THIS----
IS A SHIT SHOW ...
A horrible hateful SHIT SHOW! !!!
Ukraine HATES black people ya support them....
Republicans hate the LGBTQ community ya support them .....
Where the fuck am I 🤬🤮
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From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 12:20 PM
To: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 12:20 PM
To: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
I have not attended your meetings for a long time. But I recognize the wonderful work that BMDC has done for so many years and want to continue to support it.
Perhaps it would be good to have these discussions in a closed forum.
I am not an expert in some of these topics.
I do want to state emphatically that trans women should use the bathrooms that they are comfortable using. It is completely wrong to state that they should not be allowed to use womens bathrooms(just because some attack reportedly took place some years ago). There was someone who commented that they were against what I believe is a fundamental right of trans women (to use the bathroom they would feel comfortable using).
Thanks
Warm regards
Padma
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:55 AM, DJ ambroise" (via bmdc Mailing List)<bmdc@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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From: patrick wilson <activatemedia01@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 7:12 AM
To: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
From: patrick wilson <activatemedia01@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 7:12 AM
To: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Is there a way to get the link to join meetings without receiving the hate filled emails. The racial epithets alone are offensive and triggering. This is what Agent Provocatuers do.
I find all of this offensive, and more than inappropriate.
Patrick Wilson
Activate Media
Activate Radio
9A Hamilton Place
Boston, MA 02108
p: (617)506-9298
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From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:45 AM
To: <activatemedia01@gmail.com>, patrick wilson" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:45 AM
To: <activatemedia01@gmail.com>, patrick wilson" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
BMDC has a history of working with the legendary African American Councilor the late Chuck Turner and working with the most oppressed working class including our super exploited immigrant workers from South and Central America and Mexico.
It also has a glorious history of supporting the Palestinian struggles, it has had a strong history of struggles against imperialist wars along with other organizations in the area. It has showed solidarity with South Asian organizations fighting for justice and peace.
I wish BMDC a very successful year in working hand in hand with the oppressed here and in the rest of the world.
In solidarity and struggle
Padma
On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 7:12 AM, patrick wilson" (via bmdc Mailing List)<bmdc@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 10:02 PM
To: <queenritamonkey@gmail.com>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 10:02 PM
To: <queenritamonkey@gmail.com>
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From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:44 PM
To: <porchpotscott@proton.me>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:44 PM
To: <porchpotscott@proton.me>
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From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 7:58 PM
To: <xulingkelley.bmdcantitrans@blogger.com>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 7:58 PM
To: <xulingkelley.bmdcantitrans@blogger.com>
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From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:43 AM
To: <xulingkelley.transphobia@blogger.com>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:43 AM
To: <xulingkelley.transphobia@blogger.com>
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
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From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Hello Folks,
Biological women need support in protecting their participation in women's sports. You may support trans women and that is fine, but they have the muscle mass and strength of biological men. It is not fair that women sports are being ruined by the trans gender folks.
Please listen to this young high school female athlete. Biological females and their opportunities matter too. It is not fair that trans women who have the strength and endurance of men compete in biological women's sports. You want to be fair. Then support fairness.
Peace and all Good, Jane
Beliefs do not change biology
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:58 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:58 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Your email is a transmisic and transphobic trope and is false!
You were warned not to post this bigotry on our email list.
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From: tommie w <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:01 PM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
From: tommie w <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:01 PM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Jane — enough with your ignorant comments on issues you clearly don't understand.
Your transphobia should be grounds for expulsion from this group. True leftists want to fight the oppression of marginalised groups, not amplify it.
Your bigotry is disappointing and upsetting.
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From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:18 PM
To: <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Cc: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 4:18 PM
To: <tommieworrall@gmail.com>
Cc: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
😮💨🤮🤬
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From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:17 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:17 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
I am posting this to the BMDC-Discuss list, which may be more appropriate for this discussion than the BMDC work list. I am glad that Jane is posting her views. She is a longtime May Day activist. When I spoke with her this morning, I forgot to tell her that a discussion is starting on BMDC-Discuss and that this is the best place for a discussion like this.
There is room for different views on women's sports. On the one hand, about half of the society has changed its definition of the word "woman" to something like "person who identifies as a woman", so under that definition "women's sports" means sports for anybody who says they are a woman. On the other hand, it is clear that the muscle and bone development of humans born with male parts accelerates at puberty far beyond what occurs with persons born with female parts. That is why a fairness issue has emerged that the entire society is discussing.
It may be appropriate on the BMDC Work list to discuss matters related to proposed expulsions, as well as suspensions and censures of members. Fair process requires that complaints be filed in writing, giving specific violations of conditions of membership and giving evidence; the accused have the right to reply; the membership may authorize an investigation and has the right to vote at a later meeting on any action to be taken against a member. I observed angry shouting at a recent meeting, which is a violation of civil discussion norms. I believe that we decided long ago that disagreements on current political issues don't qualify as grounds for expulsion.
David Keil
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com> wrote:
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From: Michael Heichman <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:19 PM
To: lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
From: Michael Heichman <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:19 PM
To: lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <michaelheichman@gmail.com>
FYI from Mike
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:25 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:25 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <bmdc-discuss@lists.riseup.net>
Your transmisic/transphobic bigotry is unacceptable! I don't give A FUCK about civil discussion!
Our email list and meetings are not a space for you to express your antitrans views.You are in no position to dictate terms. I am sick and tired of this pattern of abuse from the two of you!
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From: Tyler Simonds <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:00 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Tyler Simonds <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:00 PM
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Y'all - the christofascists have made it clear that they are playing on the fears (prejudices) of a tired people to rile up voters - if not for their candidate outright, then away from a major opponent so their candidate can win. That is exactly what this is.
Take some time to reflect on the complexity of both gender and sex. To learn. It is astronomically difficult to be a transgender person in America. And you suggest that somebody would PRETEND? Take a beat. Seriously.
I get how cisgender women (those you might call "biological") come to be afraid of people who look a certain way. It makes sense. The patriarchy would leave me with only anger as a valid emotion if it could. Thankfully people like bell hooks have done meaningful work to break this down.
Trans girls are girls. Trans women are women. Your beef isn't with those of us who love, but with cisgender, heterosexual white men - ESPECIALLY the rich.
It seems we have given you a lot of space to process this topic, by the way.
Tyler S.
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From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:18 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:18 PM
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Discussion of the political issue at hand is best carried on using the BMDC-Discuss list that was recently created for this purpose.
Members are noting that a member has declared, "I don't give A FUCK about civil discussion!" If that kind of discourse continues, then we may need to take up formally whether we have just heard a declaration of war on BMDC and on its mechanisms for democratic discussion.
David Keil
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:34 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:34 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Excuse me? I've had enough of your fabricated BS. My anger expressed in the meeting was 100% justified and I will not allow your BS about decorum to be used to demonize and scapegoat me! I am transgender and you are pushing anti-trans rhetoric in the meeting last night and the list. Interesting you want to have your discussion on a private list.
I AM TRANSGENDER, and both Jane Binkerd and David Keil have repeatedly pushed anti-trans rhetoric in our organizing spaces, so I am not the one in the wrong here. I have every right to stand up and defend trans rights when under attack!----------
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:36 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:36 PM
To: <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
and for the record, the discuss list was not created for you to have space to express your anti-trans/gender critical bigotry!
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 11:18 PM DAVID KEIL <bmdc@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:17 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:17 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
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From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:18 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:18 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: DAVID KEIL <dmkeil@gmail.com>
To: John Harris <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 7:43 pm
Subject: Fwd: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
From: DAVID KEIL <dmkeil@gmail.com>
To: John Harris <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 7:43 pm
Subject: Fwd: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
In case of filing of any vague charge against me or Jane, the following should be quoted in a counter-charge:
"I don't give A FUCK about civil discussion! Our email list and meetings are not a space for you to express your antitrans views." A member here rejects the very foundation of democratic debate and sets up an ideological basis for silencing dissent. Appropriate penalty: censure as a warning to tolerate other views and respect civil debate.
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
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From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:19 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
From: <john.r.harris@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 10:19 PM
To: xulingkelley@gmail.com <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Simonds" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Tyler Simonds" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
To: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Cc: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
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From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: DJ ambroise <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM
To: <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
I'm just disgusted!!!
What in the hell???
So sooooooooon as I say something is a shit show I'll be THAT UPPITY NIGGER BITCH WHO DOESN'T KNOW HER PLACE RIGHT????!!!!!
WELL THIS----
IS A SHIT SHOW ...
A horrible hateful SHIT SHOW! !!!
Ukraine HATES black people ya support them....
Republicans hate the LGBTQ community ya support them .....
Where the fuck am I 🤬🤮
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From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 12:20 PM
To: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 12:20 PM
To: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Cc: <dmkeil@gmail.com>, BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
I have not attended your meetings for a long time. But I recognize the wonderful work that BMDC has done for so many years and want to continue to support it.
Perhaps it would be good to have these discussions in a closed forum.
I am not an expert in some of these topics.
I do want to state emphatically that trans women should use the bathrooms that they are comfortable using. It is completely wrong to state that they should not be allowed to use womens bathrooms(just because some attack reportedly took place some years ago). There was someone who commented that they were against what I believe is a fundamental right of trans women (to use the bathroom they would feel comfortable using).
Thanks
Warm regards
Padma
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 10:55 AM, DJ ambroise" (via bmdc Mailing List)<bmdc@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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From: patrick wilson <activatemedia01@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 7:12 AM
To: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
From: patrick wilson <activatemedia01@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 7:12 AM
To: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
Is there a way to get the link to join meetings without receiving the hate filled emails. The racial epithets alone are offensive and triggering. This is what Agent Provocatuers do.
I find all of this offensive, and more than inappropriate.
Patrick Wilson
Activate Media
Activate Radio
9A Hamilton Place
Boston, MA 02108
p: (617)506-9298
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From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:45 AM
To: <activatemedia01@gmail.com>, patrick wilson" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
From: Padma Balasubramanian <padma_balasubramanian@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:45 AM
To: <activatemedia01@gmail.com>, patrick wilson" (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
Cc: <jenelleambroise70@gmail.com>, DJ ambroise (via bmdc Mailing List) <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>, <xulingkelley@gmail.com>, <dmkeil@gmail.com>
BMDC has a history of working with the legendary African American Councilor the late Chuck Turner and working with the most oppressed working class including our super exploited immigrant workers from South and Central America and Mexico.
It also has a glorious history of supporting the Palestinian struggles, it has had a strong history of struggles against imperialist wars along with other organizations in the area. It has showed solidarity with South Asian organizations fighting for justice and peace.
I wish BMDC a very successful year in working hand in hand with the oppressed here and in the rest of the world.
In solidarity and struggle
Padma
On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 7:12 AM, patrick wilson" (via bmdc Mailing List)<bmdc@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 10:02 PM
To: <queenritamonkey@gmail.com>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 10:02 PM
To: <queenritamonkey@gmail.com>
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From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:44 PM
To: <porchpotscott@proton.me>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:44 PM
To: <porchpotscott@proton.me>
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From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
From: Jane Binkerd <jmbinkerd@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [bmdc-wg] Women's Sports in High School and beyond (BMDC is focused on Trans gender now)
To: BMDC Working Group <bmdc@lists.riseup.net>
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From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 7:58 PM
To: <xulingkelley.bmdcantitrans@blogger.com>
From: Lita Xú Líng Kelley <xulingkelley@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 7:58 PM
To: <xulingkelley.bmdcantitrans@blogger.com>